deGRANDSON Global holds ISO 21001 Certification, a university-grade accreditation, because it's the only one that matters.

Without independent auditing to confirm compliance, it's only a badge!

We started by asking what would be the best choice of Learning Provider qualification for Lead Auditors, Consultants, and others wishing to audit, implement, or maintain ISO Management Systems to a high standard.

Table of Contents

• deGRANDSON Global's ISO Certifications

• ISO 17024 Certification

• IRCA Approved vs. ISO 21001 Certified - which is better?

• What About EXEMPLAR Approvals

• 7 Reasons why we think ISO 21001 Certification is the 'Gold Standard' for e-Learning

• ISO 21001's Recognition and Acceptance

deGRANDSON Global's ISO Certifications

Since August 2015, we have held Certification as a Learning Provider from BQAI, an accredited Certification Body.  We now have ISO Certification for three Standards, namely...

• ISO 21001:2018, Educational organizations - Management systems for educational organizations and incorporating the additional requirements of ...
• ISO 29993:2017, Learning Services outside formal Education – Service requirements
• ISO 29994:2021, Education and learning services - Requirements for distance learning

We are the world's only ISO Auditor Training Provider to hold this challenging set of independently-audited management system standards.  

ISO 17024 Certification

The obvious choice is ISO 17024, Conformity assessment – General requirements for bodies operating Certification of persons,  offering the possibility of auditors having accredited Certification for their auditor training. And this standard was mentioned in ISO 19011:2010 as a possible step towards competency in auditing.

But that was the end of it. We found one company offering accredited certification training some years ago based in Australasia, but nothing since. No organization is promoting such Certification, and, more importantly, no accreditation body requires such training for the lead auditors of the CABs they audit. So, there is no demand from the marketplace from CABs, accreditation boards, industry, commerce, or elsewhere.

Social media around ISO 9001 and other Standards is constantly carping on about auditors making findings based on opinion, freely interpreting standard requirements based on their own preferences, consultants who don't understand the requirements of updated Standards, and still implementing systems near-identical to those they implemented 10-15 years ago, etc.  ISO 17024 offers a way of significantly improving things. 

However, until such time as ISO 17024 accredited certification is mandatory, the current situation where, effectively, professional training of auditors is optional will persist. From a training organization's viewpoint, ISO 17024 accreditation is a non-starter. So, the question becomes:  

IRCA Approved vs. ISO 21001 Certified - which is better?

This is a question prospective ISO auditors frequently ask themselves when selecting a suitable training course. It was also the question we at deGRANDSON asked when we established the business in 2011. With the recent amalgamation of IRCA with their parent CQI (it will be CQI/IRCA from now on), we decided to compare IRCA Certification with ISO 21001 Certification, both from the training organization's viewpoint and the Learner's viewpoint. Below is what we found.

deGRANDSON's Courses are delivered online by a Learning Management System (LMS), so no trainer/instructor is involved, and the learners create their own learning environment (which could be the back of a bus going to work). And so, our opinion has not changed. We still consider that, for all learners and our business, ISO 21001 is the superior choice.  

What About EXEMPLAR Approvals or ASIC Accreditation?

Same story as with IRCA; they're just badges and do not demonstrate compliance with the internationally recognized ISO Standards for educational organizations.

7 Reasons why we think ISO 21001 Certification is the 'Gold Standard' for e-Learning

1. IRCA (and Exemplar) approved courses, but they do not deliver them. Training is delivered by IRCA-approved training Partners (or ATPs). Note that claims that organizations are 'IRCA-accredited training organizations' or that courses are 'IRCA accredited' are no longer made.
2. While ATP selection criteria are not in the public domain, organizations are initially vetted before approval. On the ongoing payment, their status is maintained with little formal auditing of their performance.
3. We find that there is little recognition of IRCA outside the United Kingdom. Therefore, costly IRCA approval would provide little, if any, benefit to overseas-based auditors.
4. IRCA's register of certified auditors has been redundant for several years now. In the past, certification bodies often used IRCA's register to select competent lead auditors. That is no longer the case.

Since about 2011, the standard for certification bodies, ISO 17021, has required that the certification bodies themselves take responsibility for deciding on the competence of the lead auditors and the other auditors they select for their audit teams.

And that competence is based on a suitable combination of training, technical expertise, knowledge of relevant standards, and auditing experience - no mention of a register.

5. To become certified, ISO 21001 requires Educational Organizations (EOs) to be subject to periodic independent audits. This ensures that standards of performance, having been established, are maintained and improved on over time.
6. And, of course, ISO 21001 certification has international recognition built in.
7. The standard has requirements in relation to both learning services and the management of the EO. In brief, these are:

Learning services

• • Determining learning needs, including Stakeholder needs
  • Design of the learning services, including Curriculum planning
  • Provision of learning services, including a suitable learning environment
  • Monitoring the delivery of the learning services
  • Evaluation of goals and scope of learning and the learning service

Management of the Learning Service Providers

• • General management requirements
  • Strategy and business management
  • Management review
  • Preventive and corrective actions
  • Financial management and risk management
  • Human resources management, including competencies of the LSP's staff and associates
  • Communication management (internal/external)
  • Allocation of resources
  • Internal Audits
  • Stakeholder feedback

ISO 21001's Recognition and Acceptance

Overall, ISO 21001 is the one for us - it is recognized and accepted worldwide by L&D Directors, CABs, and Accreditation Boards. We consider that IRCA and EXEMPLAR 'certification', both of which have been around and well-respected for more than 30 years, are not the best options for the 2020s. Instead, we believe that, these days, ISO 21001 certification is a superior option.

This is because it offers both the LearnLearner and the Sponsor, who often pays for the LearnLearner, assurance as to the performance and capabilities of the chosen training organization. That is, of course, until, if ever, the market decides that personal Certification as per ISO 17024 is a better option. But that's a story for another day.

deGRANDSON Global is an ISO Certified Educational Organization

We have chosen ISO 21001 certification because, unlike IRCA and Exemplar badges (which, in our opinion, are commercially compromised), it is based on independent third-party assessment. It is a 'university grade "standard used globally by schools, colleges, and universities to demonstrate competence.

We provide on-demand, self-paced Courses in ISO 9001, ISO 13481, ISO 14001, ISO 17025, ISO 27001, ISO 45001, Risk Management, Data Protection, and more.